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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: 2400 Umbar Haven of the Corsairs (1982)
Title: Umbar Haven of the Corsairs
Item Code: #2400
Type: Supplement for the MERP fantasy role-playing system
Copyright: 1982 by Tolkien Enterprises
Author(s): Brenda Gates Spielman
Artwork: Gail B. McIntosh
Cartography: Brenda Gates Spielman, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Place of Publication: Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
Printer: Kaminer & Thomson, Charlottesville
Format: 52 page softcover, stapled, plus color map
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 212g
Dimensions: length 28cm, width 21.8cm, thickness .4cm
Additional images:
Additional credits:
Graphics: Terry K. Amthor, Charles Peale, and Richard H. Britton
Concept: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Coleman Charlton, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Editor: Peter C. Fenlon
Ship Combat Rules: Bruce R. Neidlinger
Production: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Colman Charlton, Bruce R. Neidlinger, Robert Lawson Davis, Same Ervin Jr., and Peter C. Fenlon
Typesetting: USI Graphics
Special Contributions: Ruth Sochard, Howard Huggins, Betsy Carwile, Tom Williams, and Leonard "Swamp" Cook
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"Printed by Kaminer & Thomson, Charlottsville, Virginia" on the bottom of page 2.
Last edited by tfm on Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:01 pm; edited 5 times in total
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:
Title: Umbar Haven of the Corsairs
Item Code: #2400
Type: Supplement for the MERP fantasy role-playing system
Copyright: 1982 by Tolkien Enterprises
Author(s): Brenda Gates Spielman
Artwork: Gail B. McIntosh
Cartography: Brenda Gates Spielman, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Place of Publication: Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
Printer: n/a
Format: 52 page softcover, stapled, plus color map
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 214g
Dimensions: length 27.8cm, width 21.6cm, thickness .4cm
Additional images:
Additional credits:
Graphics: Terry K. Amthor, Charles Peale, and Richard H. Britton
Concept: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Coleman Charlton, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Editor: Peter C. Fenlon
Ship Combat Rules: Bruce R. Neidlinger
Production: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Colman Charlton, Bruce R. Neidlinger, Robert Lawson Davis, Same Ervin Jr., and Peter C. Fenlon
Typesetting: USI Graphics
Special Contributions: Ruth Sochard, Howard Huggins, Betsy Carwile, Tom Williams, and Leonard "Swamp" Cook
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This printing probably follows the one listed above. "Printed by Kaminer & Thomson," a staple of earlier ICE material, no longer appears on page 2. The Ship Summaries have been moved to page 52 from the text descriptions of the Corsairs, the Black Númenoreans, and the Haradrim on pages 30-31. The descriptions in the products list feature items that were listed as coming soon in the sample above.
In this particular example pages 3-10 and 43-50 are duplicated, while pages 11-18 and 35-42 are missing.
Last edited by tfm on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:13 am; edited 3 times in total
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:20 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
This printing appears to follow the one listed above. "Printed by Kaminer & Thomson" no longer appears on the title page. The Ship Summaries have been moved from page 52 to the text desciptions of the Corsairs, the Black Númenoreans, and the Haradrim on pages 30-31.
Can you double check this?
Are you saying that:
1) The version in the first post (with the Printer credit) has the ship summaries on page 52, and
2) The version in the second post (without the Printer credit) has the ship summaries on page 30-31?
If that's correct, then there are at least three versions (four if you count the one with the missing & duplicated page).
My copy has the printer credit on page 2 and has the ship summaries on page 31. I just double-checked this.
Another MERP collector is telling me that their copy does not have a printer credit, but still does have the ship summaries on page 52.
If those four data points are all accurate, it means the printer credit differences are mutually exclusive from the ship summary location, which will make it difficult to establish an printing order amongst the various versions.
Also, can you supply back cover images for your two copies? Sometimes the presence of an ISBN on the back cover will vary.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:24 am Post subject:
I added the info you requested.
Please add versions you have. Maybe we can figure it out. I know the top version listed here uses glossy ink and a more shiny paper. _________________ "This is cool."
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject:
Title: Umbar Haven of the Corsairs
Item Code: #2400
Type: Supplement for the MERP fantasy role-playing system
Copyright: 1982 by Tolkien Enterprises
Author(s): Brenda Gates Spielman
Artwork: Gail Mcintosh
Cartography: Brenda Gates Spielman, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Place of Publication: Charlottesville, Virginia, United States
Printer: Kaminer & Thomson, Charlottesville
Format: 52 page softcover, stapled, plus color map
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: <later>
Dimensions: <later>
Additional Images:
Additional credits:
Graphics: Terry K. Amthor, Charles Peale, and Richard H. Britton
Concept: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Coleman Charlton, Terry K. Amthor, and Peter C. Fenlon
Editor: Peter C. Fenlon
Castle Design: Brenda Gates Spielman
Ship Combat Rules: Bruce R. Neidlinger
Production: Brenda Gates Spielman, S. Colman Charlton, Bruce R. Neidlinger, Robert Lawson Davis, Sam Irvin Jr., and Peter C. Fenlon
Typesetting: USI Graphics
Special Contributions: Ruth Sochard, Howard Huggins, Betsy Carwile, Tom Williams, and Leonard "Swamp" Cook
Additional Details:
As evident from the image of page 52, the ship summaries are not on that page; the ship summaries are on page 31.
Last edited by Guy Fullerton on Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:35 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:
I added mine, obviously :) (If/when the other MERP collector responds to me, I'll try to get them to add theirs, or have me add it on their behalf.)
I see a discrepancy in your first posting, though:
The bottom of the first post says that it does not have a Printed By credit on page 2. However, the picture of page 2 in that post shows a Printed By credit.
This makes me think some of the info might be mixed up between your two posts.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject:
Actually, I'm the crazy one. I re-scanned everything and reworked the commentary to be more accurate. Thanks for catching that. I hope I didn't confuse you too bad.
Now does it make sense? _________________ "This is cool."
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:
Thanks! Yes, that makes perfect sense now.
The one in your first post and the one in my post are identical.
The one in your second post is definitely a later printing from the others. The catalog is the obvious clue (it has stuff from 1983, compared to only 1982 in the other catalog), and the lack of a printer makes it a lock. They often removed the printer credit from later printings.
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