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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:32 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
I wanted that one bad, so I was disappointed to come up short. Needless to say I was thrilled when the Second Chance Offer came in for the original handwritten documents about 15 minutes after the auction closed.
Let's guess; you're not swapping.
I'm surprised Paul managed to get Rob to OK that so quickly since it's 100% certain the original ms. of something of that ilk is worth a helluva lot more than the thinned-out typescript to most of us.
Let's just say that went totally against the spirit of the entire auction and leave it at that without mentioning anything about favoritism; since I'd dropped $5k+ on various items for research purposes and he then deliberately withheld and sold a key item to another individual off the /back/ of those "accredited" sales rather than as a separate private sale on Rob's behalf.
You'll have to run by me again why you might be so disappointed by some 3rd party retaining a separate file copy which is going nowhere, compared with the likes of that.
tfm wrote:
But you of all people should get my point about the "morning after" feeling when one finds out the 'copy' surprise.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:07 am Post subject:
Nope. You got it. There should be full disclosure about what is known with this stuff. If I knew that I was buying the only copy of something, I'd bid there again, but I'm gun shy, I must admit.
Rob and Paul talk constantly, so the speed on that decision was not a surprise. Those hand-written notes are super cool, though. Some material was taken out for the typed, presentation version that we both bid on. _________________ "This is cool."
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:40 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
Nope. You got it. There should be full disclosure about what is known with this stuff.
I suspect that ain't going to happen. Paul likes to leave hidden "secrets" in some auctions to add to the "fun" in addition to such matters as retention of copies and duplicate/second chance offers (I received five on the latest batch - and some people would complain about those even where an item *is* identical on the 2nd chance rather than being in contravention of eBay rules ).
As covered above, "These things happen, I guess. ^^" and have to live with that.
tfm wrote:
Rob and Paul talk constantly, so the speed on that decision was not a surprise.
And I talked with Rob afterwards and asked various questions on the ms.: he mentioned /nothing/ about that. Nice people, all round...
tfm wrote:
Those hand-written notes are super cool, though. Some material was taken out for the typed, presentation version that we both bid on.
Yep; it seemed like the typescript was somewhat lacking compared with the auction presentation in terms of depth. Was immediately made more obvious as soon as I saw your hidden post here (even with just those three pages).
Tell me though; why did you not complain when Paul's bending of rules worked to your advantage yet now make an issue to the point of not bidding when it's a relatively minor (ymmv) matter which in no way impacts the "value" of those items you have?
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:46 am Post subject:
I really didn't think about it in those terms. I was surprised at the email and felt lucky to have a peek into Kalibruhn. You would have got the same offer had I beaten you. Your copy is actually closer to what would have been published, which is a desirable quality in a collectible--the pre-pub effect. It's also possible that the notes weren't for sale until the high bid came in for the ms.
As for the rest, my observation was a disclosure issue. Nothing more. More disclosure would obviously prevent many things. Rob is a really good guy in all the exchanges I've had with him. Paul likewise has never said anything unkind to me. It can't be easy to get a box of disorganized papers from someone and attempt to organize them without the context of its creation. Something will always get missed. It's also true that there is no other D&D collection on planet earth assembled from outside TSR that rivals Paul's, and that will not change in our lifetimes. That fact alone places him in the sights of many people. I watched it for years now and who's got what is the deadest issue in the world. What we should be doing is thinking about the future. What will this hobby look like in 50 years? What can we do now to guide it in a hopeful, progressive direction? That's where I think our energies should be spent. I stopped collecting D&D for the most part and have spread my money around to include 100s of companies. I try to add a few every week so those people who worked so hard--the Rob's of this world--get represented and remembered. What else is there? _________________ "This is cool."
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:59 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
I assume that the authors make copies of their originals before they are sold. It's their work. They own it. It's the idea of a third party copy that sits awkwardly.
Unfortunately, that hasn't generally been the case: had Paul not scanned any of RJK's auction items, they would never have been scanned and the copies would be disperesed to the four winds, and Bottle City (for example) would never have been published.
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject:
I keep meaning to pick up the 1980 and 1981 ones. I have 1982 and it has one of favourite Erol Otus pieces. As far as I know these calendars have original art not just recycled stuff.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:36 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
Any takers?
Wow! That's going to be a tough sell. Huge price, no paypal, questionable condition. Don't really like the attitude that comes across in the seller's description either.
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This may be the only "complete" set known!
If anything, an errata sheet would indicate that it is a later first print or not a first print at all. I wonder if David has one with the errata sheet?
Any chance the art sheets were released by TSR? I seem to recall in their old product listing that they did have some art pictures listed but I have never seen them.
This seller just rubs me the wrong way a little bit. Even in the Tractics auction, where the box just has a piece of paper with "Tractics" written on it. The selling is fluffing up the auction to hint that maybe Gygax wrote it. Maybe I just need to get some sleep.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:40 am Post subject:
I was wondering that too. I don't recognize the images in the pictures at all. If they were TSR, it might be worth it, but I don't think anyone will send $5,000 into the aether like that. I'm saving my $$$ for other pictures _________________ "This is cool."
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