Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Last Visit: 22 Mar 2020 Posts: 4574 Location: In the House of the Cosmic Frog
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: The Dwarven Glory (1976/1977)
Title: The Dwarven Glory
Item Code: Dungeon Master's Kit #2
Type: Generic fantasy adventure
Copyright: 1976/1977 by Wee Warriors
Authors: Pete and Judith Kerestan
Artwork: Brad Schenck
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: n/a
Printer: n/a
Format: Six double-sided loose-leaf sheets, one single-sided sheet, cover sheet, plus map key booklet
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 36g
Dimensions: loose-leaf sheets: length 27.9cm, width 21.6cm, thickness .1cm
map key: length 21.6cm, width 14cm, thickness .1cm
Additional image(s):
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The map key booklet itself has some interesting characteristics:
--page 17 is printed on the inside of the rear cover
--several of the pages are hand-numbered instead of typed
--many of page numbers appear on the inside top of the page instead of the outside
There may be up to four different versions of this 8.5 x 11 Dwarven Glory:
the first, which bears characteristics of an earlier printing, probably a first printing, has three bullets and a Room Key booklet
the second, which also has three bullets but without a Room Key booklet (could be a first with the Room Key booklet lost, thus making three printings)
the third, which has four bullets, was distributed by TSR
the fourth, which has four bullets with one crossed out and the TSR crossed out
More work is needed here before any serious attempt can be made as to print order. Since the sample pool is so small, a definitive statement may not be possible.
Last edited by tfm on Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:11 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Last Visit: 28 Jun 2013 Posts: 2977 Location: NYC
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:43 am Post subject:
Mine is single-stapled in the upper left hand corner. (probably by previous owner?) My kit is missing the digest-size room key making this item incomplete.
It is otherwise identical to your's, kynan. 3 bullets and no mention of TSR.
Merits for/against 1st print run designations....
Digest room key
One copy has the additional room key booklet for some reason. Either to protect the contents from the players? Or a mistake at preproduction/post production that required additional printing of room key booklet?
Maybe they felt it was a mistake to make an additional room key booklet and rolled it all into a single booklet for TSR consumption?
Mention of TSR
Wee Warriors were selling to TSR before and after the full-sized DG 1st edition was made. (assuming it was indeed the first edition) If the full- sized 1st edition happens to be fact then can we safely assume the TSR reference was removed after the business relationship with TSR ended? _________________
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Last Visit: 22 Mar 2020 Posts: 4574 Location: In the House of the Cosmic Frog
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject:
It just occurred to me today that the Room Key booklet version almost certainly precedes the TSR version. Wee Warriors was in the habit of crossing out TSR information rather than junking and reproducing it. That and the feasibility of producing 8.5x11 sheets as opposed to a second booklet certainly favors the Room Key version as an earlier effort. _________________ "This is cool."
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Last Visit: 22 Mar 2020 Posts: 4574 Location: In the House of the Cosmic Frog
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject:
Title: The Dwarven Glory
Item Code: Dungeon Master's Kit Number Two
Type: Generic fantasy adventure
Copyright: 1976/1977 by Wee Warriors
Authors: Pete and Judith Kerestan
Artwork: Morno
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: Morro Bay, California, United States
Printer: n/a
Format: 12 sheets (8 single-sided map sheets and 4 information sheets) with wraparound cover, stapled
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 76g
Dimensions: length 21.5cm, width 14.2cm, thickness .4cm
Additional image(s):
==============================
Probably a fourth print [waiting for examples of the 2nd (TSR) and 3rd (TSR crossed-out)]. Contains two different addresses for Wee Warriors, one in Morro Bay, California, and another in San Luis Obispo, California.
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Last Visit: 28 Jun 2013 Posts: 2977 Location: NYC
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject:
The cover to mine DG digest is identical to yours. It has 8 looseleaf map pages which also seems identical to yours. The rear cover product list appears identical in all ways.
Some differences:
-The mass of mine is 74g.
-reads "Copyright 1976" on first unnumbered page. No mention of TSR anywhere in booklet.
-The stapled booklet pages total 16 interior pages. Contents in order include....
1. Copyright page
2. Blank
3. Dungeon Master Kit #2 (title) with description, contents, and kit use.
4. (Page numbered 1) Section "B", room descriptions. Letters keyed to corresponding map
5. (#2) Section "B" continued and section "C" commenced
6. (#3) Section "C" continued.
7. (#4) Section "C" continued and Section "H" commenced
8. (#5) Section "H" continued
9. (#6) Section "H" continued and Section "E" commenced and finished.
10. (#7) Section "F" commenced
11. (#8 ) Section "F" continued and Section "G" commenced
12. (#9) Section "G" continued and Section "D" commenced
13. (#10) Section "D" finished. End of adventure portion of booklet
14. Blank "NOTES" page
15. Blank "NOTES" page
16. Plantmaster advertisement. Identical to Kynan's in all ways. _________________
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Last Visit: 24 May 2011 Posts: 34 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:05 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
Wonderful! I'm going to start a new DG thread. Please add your DG in the third position.
Thanks!
Sure I will get to it monday/tuesday night _________________ Games can get you through times of no money but money can not get you through times of no games.
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Last Visit: 24 May 2011 Posts: 34 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:21 am Post subject:
It is done.
The copy I posted is from the artists personal collection. Very nice and comes with a pen sketch and COA (neither posted)
Apologize for the delay, sometimes life (and death ) gets in the way of collecting and such. _________________ Games can get you through times of no money but money can not get you through times of no games.
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Last Visit: 22 Mar 2020 Posts: 4574 Location: In the House of the Cosmic Frog
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:55 pm Post subject:
Thanks so much! I've been waiting for years to finish this one off. You're the only other person with Wee Warriors items who was willing to help. I appreciate that.
Naturally, I picked up the third print last week! It was one of the few things I still wanted. _________________ "This is cool."
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Last Visit: 24 May 2011 Posts: 34 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:54 am Post subject:
tfm wrote:
Thanks so much! I've been waiting for years to finish this one off. You're the only other person with Wee Warriors items who was willing to help. I appreciate that.
Naturally, I picked up the third print last week! It was one of the few things I still wanted.
Where did you get it from? _________________ Games can get you through times of no money but money can not get you through times of no games.
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Last Visit: 22 Mar 2020 Posts: 4574 Location: In the House of the Cosmic Frog
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:39 am Post subject:
Actually, I think $250 was right on target. A 1st print just closed for $1K. I wouldn't expect a digest to do over $300 with the market swirling down the toilet. There are 8,408 items listed in the role-playing section right now. That's a far cry from the 14,000 that were there when the market was riding high. Between the economy and the crippling mismanagement that has become the new ebay standard, I'm not surprised at all. Add to that a grotesque lack of professional development in the hobby, $250 seems pretty close to right. There were 5 viewers on it before I hit it. None of them wanted it. Just a bit too high for them, I imagine. _________________ "This is cool."
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum