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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: The Dwarven Glory (1976/1977) Reply with quote



Title: The Dwarven Glory
Item Code: Dungeon Master's Kit #2
Type: Generic fantasy adventure
Copyright: 1976/1977 by Wee Warriors
Authors: Pete and Judith Kerestan
Artwork: Brad Schenck
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: n/a
Printer: n/a
Format: Six double-sided loose-leaf sheets, one single-sided sheet, cover sheet, plus map key booklet
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 36g
Dimensions: loose-leaf sheets: length 27.9cm, width 21.6cm, thickness .1cm
map key: length 21.6cm, width 14cm, thickness .1cm

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The map key booklet itself has some interesting characteristics:

--page 17 is printed on the inside of the rear cover
--several of the pages are hand-numbered instead of typed
--many of page numbers appear on the inside top of the page instead of the outside

There may be up to four different versions of this 8.5 x 11 Dwarven Glory:

the first, which bears characteristics of an earlier printing, probably a first printing, has three bullets and a Room Key booklet

the second, which also has three bullets but without a Room Key booklet (could be a first with the Room Key booklet lost, thus making three printings)

the third, which has four bullets, was distributed by TSR

the fourth, which has four bullets with one crossed out and the TSR crossed out

More work is needed here before any serious attempt can be made as to print order. Since the sample pool is so small, a definitive statement may not be possible.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine is single-stapled in the upper left hand corner. (probably by previous owner?) My kit is missing the digest-size room key making this item incomplete.

It is otherwise identical to your's, kynan. 3 bullets and no mention of TSR.

Merits for/against 1st print run designations....

Digest room key
One copy has the additional room key booklet for some reason. Either to protect the contents from the players? Or a mistake at preproduction/post production that required additional printing of room key booklet?
Maybe they felt it was a mistake to make an additional room key booklet and rolled it all into a single booklet for TSR consumption?

Mention of TSR
Wee Warriors were selling to TSR before and after the full-sized DG 1st edition was made. (assuming it was indeed the first edition) If the full- sized 1st edition happens to be fact then can we safely assume the TSR reference was removed after the business relationship with TSR ended?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just occurred to me today that the Room Key booklet version almost certainly precedes the TSR version. Wee Warriors was in the habit of crossing out TSR information rather than junking and reproducing it. That and the feasibility of producing 8.5x11 sheets as opposed to a second booklet certainly favors the Room Key version as an earlier effort.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Title: The Dwarven Glory
Item Code: Dungeon Master's Kit Number Two
Type: Generic fantasy adventure
Copyright: 1976/1977 by Wee Warriors
Authors: Pete and Judith Kerestan
Artwork: Morno
Cartography: n/a
Place of Publication: Morro Bay, California, United States
Printer: n/a
Format: 12 sheets (8 single-sided map sheets and 4 information sheets) with wraparound cover, stapled
ISBN: n/a
Cover Price: n/a
Mass: 76g
Dimensions: length 21.5cm, width 14.2cm, thickness .4cm

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Probably a fourth print [waiting for examples of the 2nd (TSR) and 3rd (TSR crossed-out)]. Contains two different addresses for Wee Warriors, one in Morro Bay, California, and another in San Luis Obispo, California.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cover to mine DG digest is identical to yours. It has 8 looseleaf map pages which also seems identical to yours. The rear cover product list appears identical in all ways.

Some differences:

-The mass of mine is 74g.

-reads "Copyright 1976" on first unnumbered page. No mention of TSR anywhere in booklet.

-The stapled booklet pages total 16 interior pages. Contents in order include....
1. Copyright page
2. Blank
3. Dungeon Master Kit #2 (title) with description, contents, and kit use.
4. (Page numbered 1) Section "B", room descriptions. Letters keyed to corresponding map
5. (#2) Section "B" continued and section "C" commenced
6. (#3) Section "C" continued.
7. (#4) Section "C" continued and Section "H" commenced
8. (#5) Section "H" continued
9. (#6) Section "H" continued and Section "E" commenced and finished.
10. (#7) Section "F" commenced
11. (#8 ) Section "F" continued and Section "G" commenced
12. (#9) Section "G" continued and Section "D" commenced
13. (#10) Section "D" finished. End of adventure portion of booklet
14. Blank "NOTES" page
15. Blank "NOTES" page
16. Plantmaster advertisement. Identical to Kynan's in all ways.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the scribe:





An orphan no longer!

Three bullets
No TSR
No scratched out TSR
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone out there have the plain cover DG (the 1st small one)?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfm wrote:
Does anyone out there have the plain cover DG (the 1st small one)?


Sure, I got one!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonderful! I'm going to start a new DG thread. Please add your DG in the third position.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfm wrote:
Wonderful! I'm going to start a new DG thread. Please add your DG in the third position.

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is done. Very Happy

The copy I posted is from the artists personal collection. Very nice and comes with a pen sketch and COA (neither posted)

Apologize for the delay, sometimes life (and death Crying or Very sad ) gets in the way of collecting and such.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much! I've been waiting for years to finish this one off. You're the only other person with Wee Warriors items who was willing to help. I appreciate that.

Naturally, I picked up the third print last week! It was one of the few things I still wanted.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfm wrote:
Thanks so much! I've been waiting for years to finish this one off. You're the only other person with Wee Warriors items who was willing to help. I appreciate that.

Naturally, I picked up the third print last week! It was one of the few things I still wanted.


Where did you get it from?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a BIN on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160307555331
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It was a BIN on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160307555331


Wow great price!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I think $250 was right on target. A 1st print just closed for $1K. I wouldn't expect a digest to do over $300 with the market swirling down the toilet. There are 8,408 items listed in the role-playing section right now. That's a far cry from the 14,000 that were there when the market was riding high. Between the economy and the crippling mismanagement that has become the new ebay standard, I'm not surprised at all. Add to that a grotesque lack of professional development in the hobby, $250 seems pretty close to right. There were 5 viewers on it before I hit it. None of them wanted it. Just a bit too high for them, I imagine.
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